De s.k. "Muhammed-kariktatyrerna"

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Jag tror att det mesta våldet som uppstått kommer från extremister på båda sidor som bara är ute efter att skapa bråk och förstöra.
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Det kanske är lite skillnad nu när USA varit och rotat runt i de delarna av världen så att många är extra trötta på "oss i väst" men ändå...

Precis mina tankar!

[PeW]

Mina med

[kobranturre]

Många upprörda över VLT's agerande

http://vlt.se/artikelmall.asp?version=184461

http://vlt.se/artikelmall.asp?version=184459

http://vlt.se/artikelmall.asp?version=184458

http://vlt.se/artikelmall.asp?version=184456

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Så här säger Jan Hjärpe, professor i islamologi, i Aftonbladet:

Varför fick nidbilderna av Muhammed sådana konsekvenser?
-Jag tror att bilderna fungerade som en gnista i en kruttunna. Människor var redan frustrerade. De har reagerat på Irakockupationen och på vad som händer i Israel-Palestina. Många känner sig hjälplösa när man inte har demokrati och inflytande på makten.

Och så kommer en symbolfråga som är enkel att förstå: nidbilder av profeten, en medveten provokation mot människors tro. Så kan man psykologiskt förklara reaktionen. Och det är en stor provokation att göra hånfulla bilder av det som människor identifierar sig med.

Källa: http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyhete...775018,00.html

[Okkido]

Dessutom är muslimer tekniskt sett inte en folkgrupp så som judar. Att angripa en folkgrupp som man ville utroda i krig är en hel annan sak än att angripa en religion. Åtminstonne i lagens mening..

Va, va va och aterigen va?

[OveRRidE]

Och varför klandrar du muslimer för att generalisera och bojkotta "hela danmark", när du själv anklagar hela islam och religion i största allmänhet!?

Det är ju precis vad som händer, right? Jag vet inte hur stor del av Danmark som Jyllandsposten står för, men jag kan lova dig att de våldsbenägna bokstavstolknings-fanatikerna inom Islam antagligen är fler.

Jag "anklagar" religion för att jag tycker att mycket av den galenskap och de stridigheter som pågår världen om, är just på grund av detta. Håller du inte med?

DIN och dina likars hets mot religion och islam LEDER till våldsamheter och förakt mot västvärlden. PRECIS som våldsverkare och hetsare i den muslimska världen leder till främlingsfientlighet och hat mot islam här.

Jag är inte främlingsfientlig, och jag siktar inte på att få andra att bli det heller. Jag har redan försökt att förklara det här för dig, nu flertalet gånger. Så om du vill vara så vänligt att rent ut sagt ge fan i att kasta ur dig saker du inte har en aning om, så vore jag tacksam. Jag är emot religion, återigen.

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Bra artikel

'Sensitivity' can have brutal consequences
February 5, 2006

BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST


I long ago lost count of the number of times I've switched on the TV and seen crazy guys jumping up and down in the street, torching the Stars and Stripes and yelling ''Death to the Great Satan!'' Or torching the Union Jack and yelling ''Death to the Original If Now Somewhat Arthritic And Semi-Retired Satan!'' But I never thought I'd switch on the TV and see the excitable young lads jumping up and down in Jakarta, Lahore, Aden, Hebron, etc., etc., torching the flag of Denmark.

Denmark! Even if you were overcome with a sudden urge to burn the Danish flag, where do you get one in a hurry in Gaza? Well, OK, that's easy: the nearest European Union Humanitarian Aid and Intifada-Funding Branch Office. But where do you get one in an obscure town on the Punjabi plain on a Thursday afternoon? If I had a sudden yen to burn the Yemeni or Sudanese flag on my village green, I haven't a clue how I'd get hold of one in this part of New Hampshire. Say what you like about the Islamic world, but they show tremendous initiative and energy and inventiveness, at least when it comes to threatening death to the infidels every 48 hours for one perceived offense or another. If only it could be channeled into, say, a small software company, what an economy they'd have.

Meanwhile, back in Copenhagen, the Danes are a little bewildered to find that this time it's plucky little Denmark who's caught the eye of the nutters. Last year, a newspaper called Jyllands-Posten published several cartoons of the Prophet Muhammed, whose physical representation in art is forbidden by Islam. The cartoons aren't particularly good and they were intended to be provocative. But they had a serious point. Before coming to that, we should note that in the Western world "artists" "provoke" with the same numbing regularity as young Muslim men light up other countries' flags. When Tony-winning author Terence McNally writes a Broadway play in which Jesus has gay sex with Judas, the New York Times and Co. rush to garland him with praise for how "brave" and "challenging" he is. The rule for "brave" "transgressive" "artists" is a simple one: If you're going to be provocative, it's best to do it with people who can't be provoked.

Thus, NBC is celebrating Easter this year with a special edition of the gay sitcom "Will & Grace," in which a Christian conservative cooking-show host, played by the popular singing slattern Britney Spears, offers seasonal recipes -- "Cruci-fixin's." On the other hand, the same network, in its coverage of the global riots over the Danish cartoons, has declined to show any of the offending artwork out of "respect" for the Muslim faith.

Which means out of respect for their ability to locate the executive vice president's home in the suburbs and firebomb his garage.

Jyllands-Posten wasn't being offensive for the sake of it. They had a serious point -- or, at any rate, a more serious one than Britney Spears or Terence McNally. The cartoons accompanied a piece about the dangers of "self-censorship" -- i.e., a climate in which there's no explicit law forbidding you from addressing the more, er, lively aspects of Islam but nonetheless everyone feels it's better not to.

That's the question the Danish newspaper was testing: the weakness of free societies in the face of intimidation by militant Islam.

One day, years from now, as archaeologists sift through the ruins of an ancient civilization for clues to its downfall, they'll marvel at how easy it all was. You don't need to fly jets into skyscrapers and kill thousands of people. As a matter of fact, that's a bad strategy, because even the wimpiest state will feel obliged to respond. But if you frame the issue in terms of multicultural "sensitivity," the wimp state will bend over backward to give you everything you want -- including, eventually, the keys to those skyscrapers. Thus, Jack Straw, the British foreign secretary, hailed the "sensitivity" of Fleet Street in not reprinting the offending cartoons.

No doubt he's similarly impressed by the "sensitivity" of Anne Owers, Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Prisons, for prohibiting the flying of the English national flag in English prisons on the grounds that it shows the cross of St. George, which was used by the Crusaders and thus is offensive to Muslims. And no doubt he's impressed by the "sensitivity" of Burger King, which withdrew its ice cream cones from its British menus because Rashad Akhtar of High Wycombe complained that the creamy swirl shown on the lid looked like the word "Allah" in Arabic script. I don't know which sura in the Koran says don't forget, folks, it's not just physical representations of God or the Prophet but also chocolate ice cream squiggly representations of the name, but ixnay on both just to be "sensitive."

And doubtless the British foreign secretary also appreciates the "sensitivity" of the owner of France-Soir, who fired his editor for republishing the Danish cartoons. And the "sensitivity" of the Dutch film director Albert Ter Heerdt, who canceled the sequel to his hit multicultural comedy ''Shouf Shouf Habibi!'' on the grounds that "I don't want a knife in my chest" -- which is what happened to the last Dutch film director to make a movie about Islam: Theo van Gogh, on whose ''right to dissent'' all those Hollywood blowhards are strangely silent. Perhaps they're just being "sensitive,'' too.

And perhaps the British foreign secretary also admires the "sensitivity" of those Dutch public figures who once spoke out against the intimidatory aspects of Islam and have now opted for diplomatic silence and life under 24-hour armed guard. And maybe he even admires the "sensitivity" of the increasing numbers of Dutch people who dislike the pervasive fear and tension in certain parts of the Netherlands and so have emigrated to Canada and New Zealand.

Very few societies are genuinely multicultural. Most are bicultural: On the one hand, there are folks who are black, white, gay, straight, pre-op transsexual, Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, worshippers of global-warming doom-mongers, and they rub along as best they can. And on the other hand are folks who do not accept the give-and-take, the rough-and-tumble of a "diverse" "tolerant" society, and, when one gently raises the matter of their intolerance, they threaten to kill you, which makes the question somewhat moot.

One day the British foreign secretary will wake up and discover that, in practice, there's very little difference between living under Exquisitely Refined Multicultural Sensitivity and Sharia. As a famously sensitive Dane once put it, "To be or not to be, that is the question."

[Kapten Haddock]

Mera om muhammed:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4689442.stm

Paper withdrawn over cartoon row

A student newspaper has recalled 8,000 copies and suspended its editor after publishing a cartoon satirising the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist.

It is thought Cardiff University's student union paper Gair Rhydd is the first UK publication to use the image which has caused global protests.

The paper has been withdrawn and said it regretted any upset caused.

Complaints over the cartoons in European papers have escalated into violent protests.

One of the images - first published in Denmark in September 2005 - shows Muhammad carrying a lit bomb on his head decorated with the Muslim declaration of faith instead of a turban.

Despite complaints by ambassadors from Islamic countries, the cartoons were subsequently republished in Norway, France, Germany, Italy and Spain.

A protest outside London's Danish embassy on Friday and Saturday mirrored those throughout Europe and Asia - embassies in Syria and Lebanon were attacked and at least five people died in Afghanistan.

It was on Saturday Gair Rhydd - which means Free Word in English - was published showing one of the cartoons.

The decision to pull the newspaper was taken the same day, but the university said it was likely that about 200 copies remained in circulation.

A statement by Cardiff University Students' Union read: "The opinions expressed in Gair Rhydd are those of the editorial team independently of the Students' Union or University.

It was a very stupid thing to do on the part of the students and I think the university has acted very promptly and responsibly by distancing itself from this publication
Sophie Gilliat-Ray, Centre for the Study of Islam in the UK

"The Students' Union very much regrets any upset caused or disrespect shown by the publication of the controversial cartoon and has taken immediate action by promptly withdrawing all copies of this week's edition of Gair Rhydd."

The statement went on to say that an investigation was under way and that the editor and three student journalists had been suspended.

Cardiff University has said it is very proud of its history as a campus where "many faiths work, study and socialise together in harmony".

A spokesman said: "Cardiff University has excellent relationships with both local and national Muslim communities and is proud in 2005 to have launched the unique Centre for the Study of Islam in the UK which aims to promote a greater understanding of Islam and the life of Muslim communities in the UK."

The insensitive actions of a few individuals should not, and will not, stop the atmosphere of respect and tolerance that exists at the university
Omar Arabi, Federation of Student Islamic Societies

The centre's director, Sophie Gilliat-Ray, told BBC Wales: "It was a very stupid thing to do on the part of the students and I think the university has acted very promptly and responsibly by distancing itself from this publication."

Chairman of the Federation of Student Islamic Societies Omar Arabi and former student at Cardiff University, said: "It must be stressed that this irresponsible decision was taken by a few individuals on the editorial board of the newspaper, and is not representative of the diverse community that exists at Cardiff University.

"The insensitive actions of a few individuals should not, and will not, stop the atmosphere of respect and tolerance that exists at the university."

Launched in 1972, Gair Rhydd has won numerous awards including newspaper of the year at the 2005 Guardian Student Media Awards

Citat & Svar till artikeln, ifall några vill ha en amerikansk/brittisk/kanadensisk synpunk på detta:

I can understand the Universities action they obviously don’t want to become a centre of protest for unhinged fundies across the UK but it’s really disappointing that the UK press hasn’t had the guts to print any of the cartoons.

Am I the only one fed up to the back teeth with claims that this failure to print is ‘tolerant’? Bullshit it’s not intolerant to take the piss out of religious figures, what’s intolerant is calling for the deaths of people who fail to treat your sky pixie with the level of respect you arbitrarily demand he be shown.

I'm sick of all this apologism for the Muslim fanatic assholes. Maybe not all Muslims are fanatical assholes, but those that aren't violent assholes seem to spend more time condemning the newspapers than their violent brethren, which says a lot. I have not seen too many unqualified apologies for this violent behaviour.

All I see is things like "well, we deplore the use of violence, but ... YOU FUCKING WESTERNERS SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT!!!"

However, there's another dimension to think about: how will Muslim extremists retaliate against the countries whose newspapers have printed these cartoons? If it means avoiding an explosion in the Copenhagen metro, I personally think the Western newspapers should think twice before saying "fuck you" to Islam.

Essentially making Europe's population hostages for the Muslim extremists.
'Don't print pictures of Mohammed or we blow up a train station'. 'Don't say we treat our women like shit or we blow up a hospital'. 'Don't show our 'religion of peace' demanding murder over a bloody cartoon or we level a kindergarten'.

[Spook]

Det är helt jävla otroligt att denna konflikt ens startat....

Kan bara hålla med morgonens nyhetssändningar där man berättade att två nationer i den islamska världen nyttjar konflikten för att dra fokus FRÅN frågor som egentligen har någon betydelse för övriga världen.

Den ena nationen som sägs vara vänligt inställda till att utbilda terrorister, den andra nationen utvecklar uppenbart kärnvapen.
Och som ni alla vet så är ju kärnvapen fruktansvärt nyttiga för mänskligheten.

Tyvärr finns det religioner som har våldshandlingar och hat som drivmedel, nu skall inte alla religionsutövare dras över samma kam, de våldsamma är ett fåtal om man räknar till den stora massan.

Islam, kristendomen, judendom, hinduism....det spelar ingen roll, det finns avarter i alla.


Allt detta för att en dansk tidning publicerat teckningar ?
Skall människor som inte är muslimer riskera livet för att ett fåtal människor gjort misstaget att utnyttja tryckfrihetslagarna med ett dåligt omdöme ??

SKÄRPNING !!!

Nu tillhör jag den kristna religionen, trots att jag inte utövar den aktivt.
Kristna har fått utstå mycket från andra religioner, så även inom den egna.....
Inte har jag bränt ner någon ambassad eller slagit ihjäl någon....

Puss och kram på er alla.....Muslimer, Kristna, Judar och även människor från Mars.

[Mattias Nordin]

[citat]I'm sick of all this apologism for the Muslim fanatic assholes. Maybe not all Muslims are fanatical assholes, but those that aren't violent assholes seem to spend more time condemning the newspapers than their violent brethren, which says a lot.[/citat]

Spot on. Något som förvånar mig mycket. Även att de inte tar mer avstånd från terrorism förvånar mig och irriterar mig.

Som någon sa tidigare. Dags för islam version 2.0. Bjud gärna in någon som kan lite PR innan kravspecen skrivs.

[Fia]

Dagens artikel om det hela i DN: "Båda sidor har rätt - och fel"

[citat=DN]De senaste veckorna har det blivit mera komplicerat att vara muslim i Sverige, tycker Rawia Morra. Såväl muslimer som svenskar nästintill fordrar att hon ska välja sida i den inflammerade konflikten. Men det är inte bara att välja, i varje fall inte för henne. Båda sidor har fel - och båda har rätt. [/citat]

[medialabs]

Dagens artikel om det hela i DN: "Båda sidor har rätt - och fel"

[citat=DN]De senaste veckorna har det blivit mera komplicerat att vara muslim i Sverige, tycker Rawia Morra. Såväl muslimer som svenskar nästintill fordrar att hon ska välja sida i den inflammerade konflikten. Men det är inte bara att välja, i varje fall inte för henne. Båda sidor har fel - och båda har rätt. [/citat]

Det där var ju en riktigt, riktigt bra artikel!

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6.gif, ritad av Lindström, beskriver ganska bra hur jag ser på hela denna "konflikten" som inte hade existerat om vissa hade haft ett uns av respekt för oliktänkande. Givetvis riktad till individerna som, på ett extremt sett, uttrycker sina åsikter åt fel håll.

[lilja]

Va, va va och aterigen va?

Kommer inte riktigt ihåg vad man sa men judar kunde man begränsa till en geografisk plats eller något. Muslimer är ett så pass stort folk att de finns överallt. Eller hur var det? Jag hörde detta av en expert och kan inte riktigt återge precis hur man definierar en folkgrupp...

Någon annan kanske kan hjälpa till som är bättre på definitionerna?

Hur som hellst är det inte censur att visa respekt för andra människor. Muslimer tar så pass illa upp att de anser att det är "skändning" av deras religion. Vad skadar det oss att visa dem lite respekt?

Annars tycker jag att allt det här visar på det klassiska "våld föder våld" eller "ondska föder ondska"!

[PeW]

Hur som hellst är det inte censur att visa respekt för andra människor. Muslimer tar så pass illa upp att de anser att det är "skändning" av deras religion. Vad skadar det oss att visa dem lite respekt?

Annars tycker jag att allt det här visar på det klassiska "våld föder våld" eller "ondska föder ondska"!

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