erka skrev:
UlfT, det går inte att spekulera om det, Allende var inte kommunist utan socialist och det var väll bland annat därför militärkuppen lyckades, då allendes syn på militären som apparat var ganska naiv.
Ulft, du brukar be folk om att försvara och förklara sina åsikter. Kan du säga en sak som tydde på att Allende tänkte införa proletäriatets diktatur, förstatligande av amerikanska koppargruvor är inte direkt tillräckligt.
Är proletariatets diktatur en absolut och nödvändig förutsättning för kommunismen? I så fall ber jag om ursäkt för att jag har varit vårdslös med begreppen.
Angående välgrundad fruktan för någon typ av socialistiskt system där allt är förstatligat, kan jag hänvisa till:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende
Cuban president Fidel Castro, with whom he had a close friendship, started a a month-long visit. This visit, in which president Castro participated actively in the internal politics of the country, holding massive rallies and giving public advice to Allende, did much to alter the public perception to the Chilean Way to Socialism.
Allende's increasingly bold socialist policies (partly in response to pressure from some of the more extreme members within his coalition), combined with his close contacts with Cuba, heightened fears in Washington.
Man kan ju undra vilka visioner Fidel Castro hade för Chile, då han så gärna hjälpte Allende.
http://www.cyberussr.com/hcunn/for/chile-73.html
(4) There was a non-stop series of farm and factory seizures by radical members of Allende's coalition, without his authorization.
(a) Owners sometimes resisted force with force, if they could organize in time. Where, as was often the case, the seizures were illegal, the Army and courts usually saw no particular reason to block self-defense by owners.
(b) More often, however, the seizures were successful. **Legal requests to Allende to reverse them were almost never granted**. As a result
1\. Productivity in the seized enterprises would drop sharply, as the new proletarian managers were more concerned about feeling good and setting up model benefit programs (de Vylder, pp. 152-55) than about working at a profit.
2\. Middle-class entrepreneurs not on Allende's hit-list nevertheless distrusted him, as unable to keep his promises.
(c) Reasons for the seizures--
1\. In some cases, they were part of an active class struggle, eg during the general strike/lockout of Oct 1972. Whole "industrial belts" ("cordones industriales") started being organized (de Vylder, p. 152), where militias and distribution of supplies became at least as important as production.
2\. In other cases, however, **they reflected a breakdown of Allende's moderate approach**. The official Unidad Popular program concentrated on pampering workers in government enterprises, and limiting expropriations to foreign firms and large "monopolies." Workers in smaller farms and factories were supposed to be patient and content with the symbolism of the UP coalition. They soon became impatient, however, and demanded the nationalization of their own workplaces, so that they too could enjoy inflated public-sector paychecks and laid-back public-sector working conditions (de Vylder, pp. 143-44, pp. 155-56).
(d) Apart from the usual public-sector inefficiencies, there was an additional reason for low productivity at many seized plants: ambiguous ownership status. **Many factories were seized under a law giving only temporary (emergency) management ("intervention" or "requisition") to the State**; profits and assets (if any) were supposedly held in trust for the original owners. Ripping off hated capitalists was one more tempting excuse for slipshod and wasteful management practices (de Vylder, p. 154).
Visst. Allende hade inte gett sitt medgivande till alla dessa expropriationer, som gick utöver socialisering av utlandsägda tillgångar. Men det är svårt att se hur han motsatte sig dem. Därför trodde folk att han var på väg att förstatliga allt. Såvitt jag kan se, kunde det mycket väl vara sant. Men visst, det är inte säkert att det hade slutat med ett fullständigt förstatligande. Men det var ju inte heller detta som skulle bevisas. Utan påståendet var att det fanns välgrundade farhågor för att detta skulle ske.
Men ok, jag ber hemskt mycket om ursäkt för att jag slarvade med begreppet kommunism.
